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		<title>By: ASP.NET MVC Archived Blog Posts, Page 1</title>
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		<description>[...] to VoteOxite: Some Thoughts (12/30/2008)Tuesday, December 30, 2008 from www.markhneedham.com... erve as a particularly good example of an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reflective Perspective - Chris Alcock &#187; The Morning Brew #254</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reflective Perspective - Chris Alcock &#187; The Morning Brew #254</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Oxite: Some Thoughts - Mark Needham gives his views on Oxcite, the much maligned ASP.NET MVC CMS from the Channel 9 folks at Microsoft. Mark shares his ideas in the form of a technical retrospective, which is a nice clear and constructive way. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Oxite: Some Thoughts &#8211; Mark Needham gives his views on Oxcite, the much maligned ASP.NET MVC CMS from the Channel 9 folks at Microsoft. Mark shares his ideas in the form of a technical retrospective, which is a nice clear and constructive way. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arjan`s World &#187; LINKBLOG for December 30, 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjan`s World &#187; LINKBLOG for December 30, 2008</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Oxite: Some Thoughts - Mark Needham &#8216; I was intrigued to read the code though - you can always learn something by doing so and reading code is one of the ares that I want to improve in &#8216; Oxite is keeping everyone busy these days. On top of my hipster PDA now is reading it&#8217;s source code, since it is easy to have an opinion, but more important to have a well funded one. Thanks Mark! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have 3 valid points about testing, but the obvious fourth is that they only have some 51 tests (don&#039;t remember the exact count). A system of this size/complexity should likely be in the thousands.

Also, I must disagree re the Repository pattern. The way they&#039;ve implemented it is extremely heavy. Every  domain object has its own specific repository, which results in a lot of code and a lot of code to tests (which I guess isn&#039;t a problem if you just don&#039;t test...). Should have gone for a more reusable approach, like an object query and an o/r mapper.

Finally, I wouldn&#039;t call what Rob is doing refactoring. He&#039;s completely recoding it. Imma guess Rob is calling it refactoring so that he doesn&#039;t hurt any feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have 3 valid points about testing, but the obvious fourth is that they only have some 51 tests (don&#8217;t remember the exact count). A system of this size/complexity should likely be in the thousands.</p>
<p>Also, I must disagree re the Repository pattern. The way they&#8217;ve implemented it is extremely heavy. Every  domain object has its own specific repository, which results in a lot of code and a lot of code to tests (which I guess isn&#8217;t a problem if you just don&#8217;t test&#8230;). Should have gone for a more reusable approach, like an object query and an o/r mapper.</p>
<p>Finally, I wouldn&#8217;t call what Rob is doing refactoring. He&#8217;s completely recoding it. Imma guess Rob is calling it refactoring so that he doesn&#8217;t hurt any feelings.</p>
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