Comments on: Test Doubles: My current approach http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/ Thoughts on Software Development Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:43:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: OpenQuality.ru | Июльская лента: лучшее за месяц http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-20758 OpenQuality.ru | Июльская лента: лучшее за месяц Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:25:05 +0000 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/?p=1453#comment-20758 [...] Needham: взгляд на test doubles и краткий рассказ о своих подходах к модульным [...] [...] Needham: взгляд на test doubles и краткий рассказ о своих подходах к модульным [...]

]]> By: Reading Code: Rhino Mocks at Mark Needham http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-20556 Reading Code: Rhino Mocks at Mark Needham Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:25:34 +0000 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/?p=1453#comment-20556 [...] way that stubs and mocks are generated is essentially the same which I'm told is also the case with Mockito although I [...] [...] way that stubs and mocks are generated is essentially the same which I'm told is also the case with Mockito although I [...]

]]> By: Mark Needham http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-20374 Mark Needham Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:15:48 +0000 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/?p=1453#comment-20374 @Robin I actually saw that presentation as well & agreed it's really good. Maybe I didn't quite understand the idea about meaningful data...would you aim to pass meaningful data even if that particular piece of data didn't really matter for the current test? @Gil I find when talking about the stuff (with anyone) I refer to stub or mock depending if we're testing an expectation or not - I don't think I really got the difference between them until quite recently. I still struggle a bit with the difference between dummy & stub so this post was more about me trying to clear up my understanding of whether I actually use each of the patterns even though I probably don't segment them when using them on projects. I guess the dictionary meanings might be useful when working with people who also know them. @Robin I actually saw that presentation as well & agreed it's really good. Maybe I didn't quite understand the idea about meaningful data…would you aim to pass meaningful data even if that particular piece of data didn't really matter for the current test?

@Gil I find when talking about the stuff (with anyone) I refer to stub or mock depending if we're testing an expectation or not – I don't think I really got the difference between them until quite recently.

I still struggle a bit with the difference between dummy & stub so this post was more about me trying to clear up my understanding of whether I actually use each of the patterns even though I probably don't segment them when using them on projects.

I guess the dictionary meanings might be useful when working with people who also know them.

]]> By: Gil Zilberfeld http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-20348 Gil Zilberfeld Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:13:30 +0000 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/?p=1453#comment-20348 Hi Mark, Nice post. My question is: when you explain this to test newbees, does this segmentation help? The reason I'm asking is because we (Typemock) found that most people use "mock" for stub anyway, and while the "dictionary" meanings exist, they are not useful for beginners. What is your experience? Thanks, Gil Hi Mark,

Nice post. My question is: when you explain this to test newbees, does this segmentation help?
The reason I'm asking is because we (Typemock) found that most people use "mock" for stub anyway, and while the "dictionary" meanings exist, they are not useful for beginners.

What is your experience?

Thanks,

Gil

]]> By: Robin Clowers http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-20111 Robin Clowers Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:29:23 +0000 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/?p=1453#comment-20111 Hey Mark, good stuff as always. you mentioned you pass strings like "irrelevantValue". I used to do that as well, but I saw a great presentation by Jeremy Miller (great presentation btw) where he talked about using meaningful test data. Since then I have tried to use values that make sense in the context of the system under test. I find it helps the readability of tests in the long run. You can get to a video of the presentation from this blog post if you are interested: http://codebetter.com/blogs/jeremy.miller/archive/2009/05/28/the-joys-and-pains-of-a-long-lived-codebase-the-video.aspx Hey Mark, good stuff as always. you mentioned you pass strings like "irrelevantValue". I used to do that as well, but I saw a great presentation by Jeremy Miller (great presentation btw) where he talked about using meaningful test data. Since then I have tried to use values that make sense in the context of the system under test. I find it helps the readability of tests in the long run.

You can get to a video of the presentation from this blog post if you are interested: http://codebetter.com/blogs/jeremy.miller/archive/2009/05/28/the-joys-and-pains-of-a-long-lived-codebase-the-video.aspx

]]> By: Reflective Perspective - Chris Alcock » The Morning Brew #389 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/2009/07/14/test-doubles-my-current-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-20091 Reflective Perspective - Chris Alcock » The Morning Brew #389 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:39:35 +0000 http://www.markhneedham.com/blog/?p=1453#comment-20091 [...] Test Doubles: My current approach - Mark Needham talks about his current test double methods, looking at his uses of Stub objects, Fake Objects, mock objects and dummy objects [...] [...] Test Doubles: My current approach – Mark Needham talks about his current test double methods, looking at his uses of Stub objects, Fake Objects, mock objects and dummy objects [...]

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